This Is My Favorite Meeting Every Year | Fireside Chat With 2019 Summer Interns
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This Is My Favorite Meeting Every Year | Fireside Chat With 2019 Summer Interns

– Hey guys. I just got out of a meeting
with the intern class at VaynerMedia this year but what really ended up happening was a complete manifesto to anybody whose like 17 to 24 in the world. So if you are or know
somebody whose 17 to 24, you need to watch this shit and watch it four times. (upbeat music) You’ve got your perspective. I just want to be happy. Don’t you want to be happy? Great. So you know, I guess the thing that I can open with is I think a lot about this program and just internships in general and I think that I’ve been
pretty vocal in the past from my content standpoint of like how, like I unbelievably don’t believe the ROI of this internship is the skillset that you’re learning though I’m sure for some of you, especially knowing in certain categories, paid media, I feel very confident about, all of them I do but there’s clearly places
where you will learn skill sets. I’m sure you’ll learn plenty on Team Gary, like we’re proud of what we’re good at but this has to be a huge big game of interpersonal relationships. It is like you’re gonna
cozy up with each other ’cause it’s easy, you’re going
through the same shit, right, and it creates a natural bond. It’s imperative that you muster up whatever extroverted DNA you have to just say hello in the kitchen. It’s just imperative. I can’t explain enough to you that there are 13 people that
work at this company right now that in 19 years are gonna be the CMOs of the biggest companies in the world. I don’t know what else to tell you. So as you can imagine, if I’m even half right, the serendipity of one of those people becoming somebody you
have a relationship with disproportionately changes the course of your professional career, not to mention the thing I’m proud of and Loose, I’m sure you’re feeling this, like from a culture and pet team and how we care about human stuff, there’s the professional aspect of me being right about that and you then becoming way
more advanced in your career 12 years form now because
you’ve tagged along with Lisa or Johnny or Susan as their careers progressed. There’s just also the fact that a shocking amount of people at VaynerMedia end up marrying each other, becoming singular best
friends with each other. We have a very interesting framework when it comes to human dynamics that I think lends itself to a lot of ROI. And so not every person
is gonna be extroverted or is comfortable to
roll up on somebody cold and say what’s up but I promise you, there’s very few businesses on Earth that it’s safer than here to do that and I couldn’t push you harder to do it. Elevators, random meetings, going to, obviously at this point, you probably feel some comfort level with the person above you or the people that are rabbiing you, asking them to create
the serendipity for you or bring you into different
rooms just to take a look or you’re in project management but are curious about creative, just being thrown into a meeting, tasting things, is the number one strategy in your 20s. You’ve made decisions
about what you’re about and it’s highly likely you’re wrong. And when I say wrong, the holy grail of life professionally is to love what you’re
doing and be good at it. There’s a lot of people
who love what they do and they’re okay at it. There’s a lot of people
that crush at something but fucking hate it. And the only way you’ll know that is if you taste more. I always smile when I’m on this kick because I think about oysters a lot. So like I’m really into them and I’ve gotten pretty
knowledgeable about them, like west coast, east coast,
like that kind of shit and it’s just so funny how many people have decided
they don’t like oysters without every having them. And that’s how I think about careers. You think you’re fin ops, but you’re really strategy. You think you’re strategy but you’re really account. You think you’re project management but you’re really fin ops. And I think about that every day. My job at the top of this whole thing is to put players in
a position to succeed. The nature of where you are in your life gives you more flexibility
to do that for yourself if you have the patience and humility to go through the process. That’s my schpeel. What can I answer? Who’s got questions? Like you can go super narrow, you can go very broad. – [Female] Mine is super narrow. – Great. We approved that. – [Female] So I’m from
the largest concentration of Arabs and Muslims anywhere
outside of the Middle East. That’s Dearborn, Michigan
right outside of Detroit. And what I think my purpose is is to put my city on the map. So I’ve learned through talking to people
outside of my community that people are aware of it, which was really interesting ’cause when you grow up in that and you’re a part of that community you don’t see the value in it. And so as I’ve gotten
older, I guess like– – ‘Cause it’s your norm. – It’s my norm and everybody looks
like me, talks like me. – It’s your norm. – Right. And so I guess like just certain experiences
that I went through, my dad was the first
Arab Muslim administrator of a high school in Dearborn and he got a lot of
Islamophobia and just hatred and hate speech in the media. And so that made me really passionate about kind of like
controlling that narrative. So we started a podcast and it’s kind of taken, so it’s gotten a lot
of statewide attention and recently ABC, I don’t know why I’m so nervous talking about it right now, but ABC Nightline just reached out and so now we’re getting
national attention which is like a dream come true. I obviously was crying all
night last night about it ’cause it just happened yesterday. – That’s awesome. – I’m trying to figure out how to continue using
the niche that we have because news just spreads
like wildfire in my community and that’s what’s helped
us get that attention. But also so like using that niche but not, not relying on the niche of the community to get that global
attention ’cause that’s, at the end of the day, we want to be the ones telling our stories because anyone whose talking
about Arabs and Muslims globally right now aren’t doing so from our perspective and are misrepresenting us. And I kind of want to create a universe where we’re the ones holding the mic when we’re telling our stories. – Well that’s called the internet. You’re not gonna create it, I didn’t create it, it’s been created. What people don’t understand is we’re going through cycles. So even if you think about
it at the highest levels, there’s so much more
conversation today about privacy that nobody talked about
privacy eight years ago, everything was about share everything. This is just pendulum swings. To your point, right now, just like Jews in
Europe in the ’40s and ’50s and African Americans in
the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, these are just moments in cultural time. Depending on how you see life, you either have the serendipity or the unluck of being who
you are during this time when it is your subculture that is on the global pedestal currently with a lot of people who
want to control the narrative in a negative light. The reality is you cried out of happiness of the national exposure to Nightline but it’s actually what you’re
trying to fight against. This is what the funny
thing is this whole game is. We are in such a macro framework that you view that as a good thing because you understand the benefits of the national exposure. You have no post production control. – Exactly. – Like I’m sure some, I assume at some level you’re aware of me which means you understand
that I’m highly prolific in putting out creative and I’m known yet I spend almost no time getting mainstream media attention. I didn’t even like the
Business Insider article that was written that was
a pro piece for VaynerMedia because I don’t control the narrative and Kristin Lemkau gave
a 45 minute interview that was glowing and they took one half of a sentence to show a hedge ’cause anybody who writes
an article about a company has to show some negativity so it doesn’t look like
a press release thus, I didn’t even read it, didn’t even read it. So couple things, great news, you do have the control. The question is do you have the patience? You know one of the things
I’m most excited about if you follow me on Instagram is I’m getting to show these videos from eight and 10 years ago where I’m saying the same shit. And so when I pontificate
to you guys patience it’s one thing when I say
it now and you hear it and you’re like easy for you to say except I actually lived it. You can’t rely on the local community, not because of anything other than that’s just not how the internet works. One person shares one thing
on one piece of platform and it gets picked up in Russia and then, the nature of communication
on the internet is not localized. It is inherently viral if it speaks the truth. What you need to do if you have this mission accomplish is worry about your actions, not anybody else’s. The biggest problem in
our society right now is everybody worries
about everybody’s actions but their own on every side of the equation. So what I tell you to do is what I’m doing for a living which is I have unbelievable social wants of kindness for the world but I’m not gonna allow my friends to tell me how to do that. My friends tell me I need to be a keyboard
warrior on Twitter. I think they’re full of shit and trying to look good on social media but don’t live their truth. – So it’s about understanding the unique perspective that you bring and not letting other people
kind of like play with that? – In action. Meaning continue to do your podcast, continue to put out content, continue to wear your tee shirt but not worry about what
anybody else is doing with it because when you try to
boil the ocean, you don’t. When you’re gonna put your town on the map as such a young woman, you’re gonna lose because putting your town on the map is gonna take you 54 years. So that’s how I think about it. And not that Nightline’s bad but you need to be thoughtful
of what you’re say, the way you’re framing it is right, the concern I have for
you and every other human is lack of patience and ideology over practicality. – Thank you. – You’re welcome. – Gary, what are the most
important things you look for in a company before investing, particularly start-ups and how old were you when
you started investing? – I was 31 when I started investing. I didn’t know I was investing, I just took money out of my bank and gave it to Mark Zuckerberg’s parents, like literally. Like that’s the truth. Like I didn’t think
about my Facebook, Tumblr and Twitter investment
as I was an investor. I thought of them as I’m
in this point in my life, I’m 100% positive these three
platforms are gonna be big and if I put money in now, it’s likely that it’ll be
worth more money later. I didn’t even understand IPO. Bro, if I knew that you could
carry other people’s money, what carrying means is
I take a million dollars from somebody who has it and I invest it into Twitter and I get 20% of the upside after they get their million dollars back, I’d probably own the Jets today. That’s how positive I was
about those three platforms. But I didn’t even have any education of what investing was, so I only wrote my own personal money instead of going to all
my rich wine customers, I would’ve probably raised 25 million, I would’ve got 20%, if I got five million dollars and invested into Facebook and got 20% of the carry, it would’ve been 100 million dollars. So that’s one context point. Today, today, the answer to that question is 100% based on the person. I am no longer interested in an idea. I don’t want to hate the idea, I don’t want to hate it but I now after 10 years see the patterns which is this is singularly, for me, a game about people. – Yeah, I have a follow-up. So particularly now with you said this on your Instagram account talking about the weed bubble’s similar to the crypto
bubble and et cetera, like what players do you
think will win through that? – The she and he that I think knows what
the fuck is going on and knows how to adjust and waits a decade to win versus the 99.999% of people who are infusing CBD into products and thinking that’s
some magic fucking pill. Hey Gary, I have a CBD cocoa, I’m like cool. They think the CBD part is the magic pill. They don’t realize it’s the commodity, everybody’s doing that right now. Everything is CBD infused. – So will you go out and
invest more in that now– – Less.
– Less. – Less ’cause now is the time of danger ’cause everyone’s in it. So you have to be more thoughtful. This is the great era of
jokers in crypto and cannabis. Yet, seven of them are the Meg Whitman’s, seven of them are the Mark Zuckerberg’s. The problem is there’s seven
million that get through. Four years ago, there was 800,000 of them and the same seven were there. Now there’s seven million of them and the same seven are there. That’s the problem. Got it? – Yeah.
– Gold rushes are dangerous. Most people lost money. – [Female] Obviously the
culture here is so amazing and different from a lot of companies. How have you noticed it change as VaynerMedia has grown
from two to 800 people in the past 10 years? – There’s more cynicism from people because they’re less close to me. – [Female] So it was easier to control when the company was smaller? – You’ll appreciate this, I don’t even think of it as control. I think of it as 59
people are in the company and I’m around them all the time. They have a better read of what I’m up to. There’s a very big difference about between the way Team
Gary Vee feels about me versus LIC Producers, not because they’re on Team Gary Vee, it’s that because they’re closer. Dustin Thought didn’t like me the first three months. He’s not here but Dustin didn’t like, this is a conversation we had because he by nature is cynical, there’s a couple people on Team Gary Vee that were ready to leave Team Gary Vee that were up to their own agenda so they were burning bridges and he was affected by that and if he was a Vayner employee, he would stay that way because what Dustin had by being around is just the luxury to see it play out. – Mmhmm. And different from being close to you, how would you say it’s changed as you’ve grown more followers and gotten a bigger image in the media? – My intuition on that is that there’s a small percentage
of people in this company who think I don’t care about the company or am not involved because they think I’m spending
all my time being Gary Vee. That would be the only case and that’s probably three
to 12 percent of the people within their first year to two years or there’s just inherent in people who just like the idea of
fighting against the company. That’s just the way life is and that’s okay. I deploy enormous amounts of
empathy against all of this. But it’s changed because
everything changes. It’s like anything else. But I think the spirit and
the intent is 100% intact which is why even at 850 it feels a lot better than other places that are even 50. People are so basic they think size destroys it. Intent destroys it. There’s plenty of 38 person
companies that suck shit because she or he is about their money not about their employees. Not super complicated. So just natural stuff that I’m super signed up for. I don’t like being judged
negatively that way by my own team but I’m empathetic. You try to do open door policy, try to do things like this, but the realities are
there’s collateral damage in anything that is growing. As long as I put my head
on my pillow every night, it makes everything pretty easy. And I look at data, how much voluntary
exiting do we have here, how many people want to
come back after they leave? I don’t look at fake data like Glassdoor. I look at real data. – Yeah, I was watching this video that you
did last year yesterday and you were saying like
whenever there’s a sheet and someone’s leaving, you always read all those papers and figure out why they left and it’s both extremes. – To this day, there’s not a single person
that gets fired from VaynerMedia without me personally approving it. That’s all you need to
know about this company. I’m so petrified to do the wrong thing that I have that in place, think about that, and just to give you guys context, which you wouldn’t maybe know is I give uncomfortable
amounts of autonomy to leadership in this company yet to be fired here has
to get signed off by me. So yeah, it’s intent. And we’re wrong sometimes. But we don’t value money enough that it makes us right
more often than wrong because we’re willing to spend the extra three, six, nine, 12 weeks to really look under the hood to make sure we feel
good about the decision. – [Female] Thank you. – So you’re clearly like
really bullish on social media. – Yes, I’ve heard. – So we’ve all kind of grown
up with social media and such and I think we’re recognizing the upside but also recognizing the downsides. Even these companies
are talking about things like they know that
technology’s addictive, we know that technology’s
addictive, all that, and we see a lot of people that are kind of wanting
to detox sometimes. So how do you think, what is the evolution of
social media look like in that regard, companies understanding that maybe people don’t
want to always be connected and people not always
wanting to be connected but understanding that social
media’s not going away? What does that whole evolution look like? – Accountability. If you even for a second think it’s a good idea for
Apple and Google and Facebook to help you be less addicted, you are on the path of losing. You don’t like Instagram? Delete it. The second we allow ourselves to let the machines help us help ourselves is the second you become more vulnerable. I believe that. – [Female] Could you explain that more? – Sure, like you want Apple to limit the amount of time you’re
on Instagram for you, you think that’s the way, you
want that, mazel tov, take it but I promise you then there’s
gonna be the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. You’re either account, social media is exposing us, it’s not changing us. There is no social media, brother. They’re empty fucking pipes. Social media doesn’t make you mean. Social media doesn’t make you insecure. You’re insecure, you’re mean. We’re getting exposed, not changed. We’re addicted to human interaction. The reason the world exists in a world where we’ve had
atomic bombs for 70 years is we like each other. We’re not addicted to social media. We’re interactive creatures. You’re addicted to people. Cool, you don’t want to be on Instagram. Go read Vogue. Knock yourself out. This is a very fun thing
for me to watch evolve. People don’t like being held accountable. So a lot of things, the way that these platforms
claim they’re addictive is the way a lot of things are addictive. Are we gonna ban pretty people? Are we gonna limit our
time to watching comedy? Are we gonna limit the
time we listen to music? This is a really, this is the demonizat, bless you, this is the demonization of technology. Let me give you a really
good piece of advice. Go read the articles
around the kaleidoscope. I’m being dead serious. Go Google the early articles
around the kaleidoscope. You’ll think you’re
reading about Instagram. History’s got all the answers. I could not be in this program because I failed all my classes but the one class I
was good at was history and it is the continuous framework of how I think about a lot of this stuff. Literally the articles of the kaleidoscope are making the same arguments now. So if you have FOMO, it’s because you have levels of insecurity that are raging which has a lot more to do with the way you were parented and where you grew up and the natural DNA you were given, not Snapchat. So how do I think it’s gonna play out? In its worst, our government gets
disproportionately involved, which will be fine, I could care less. Just so everybody knows, I care about attention, not social media. So if we all stop doing social media, I’m gonna figure out where
your eyes and ears are going. You’re gonna go somewhere. We’re not locking ourselves up in a room. So I don’t give a fuck. Google and Facebook and
Twitter and Instagram and Snapchat and TikTok and LinkedIn could disappear off the
face of the Earth tomorrow and I’d probably be the
single happiest person because my most comfortable state is reacting quickly to
where attention goes. I just feel bad for any human being that thinks that’s gonna help them ’cause they’re gonna find
something else to complain about or to be controlled by. This is an internal
framework conversation, not an external technology conversation. – [Female] What/who are
you reading, watching, consuming right now just from a free time standpoint? – The people that leave
comments in my content. I consume nothing. I literally have no idea what’s going on other than if it’s
serendipitously hits my radar through my own community. I’m just consuming how people are reacting to what I’m focused on. And I think that’s been
a huge strength of mine. For example, because I did consume a lot of Richard Pryor and Chris
Rock and Eddie Murphy as a kid, I completely believe the
way I give keynote speeches has an underlining tone
of a comedy routine more than just the classic keynote which is why I think it’s worked for me ’cause there’s a level of entertainment that comes along when I give keynotes. So I become a character, I’ve been affected by them in the way that I act. I think the reason my voice is resonating is I’m not affected by
anybody else right now, I’m only affected by the way
people are reacting to me which allows me to continue to build in the purity of human truths without blending and trying to be like. – [Female] So you’re
clearly a very busy guy with controlling your public image and– – You’ll appreciate this, real quick on that front, just to jump in, I’ll let you finish, I give zero thoughts to
controlling my public image, zero. I mean they doc, my team’s in here, I don’t even look at what they’re making. The way I control my public image is by living my truth and letting the chips fall. It’s the most liberating
thing of all time. I don’t think about it at all. Keep going. – [Female] And you’re
evergrowing companies, VaynerX, VaynerMedia. I’m just curious what
keeps you up at night? – Health, health. Health keeps me up at night. The health and wellbeing of the 12 people that
I’m closest related to or love the most as a friend
scares the fuck out of me, like way more than it scares most people. I think about it all the time because I don’t care
about the work enough. It’s what my passion is but like if a core 12 person in my life is terminally ill or passes away, it will shut me down. So that keeps me up. Professionally, I’m not kept up. I’m capable, I’m talented. Business is tricky ’cause we haven’t, we don’t treat business the way we treat music,
artists and athletes but I think it’s much more similar to that than it is other things. So like once you know
you’re a good athlete, you may not win every game, but Lebron’s not confused that he’s bad. He doesn’t think tomorrow he’s
not gonna be able to play. He may not win every game, and I genuinely feel like I’m that. I’m not gonna miraculously tomorrow not be what I’ve been for
the last 38 years of my life, which is a disproportionately
successful business human. So I’m good. Yeah. – [Female] Hi Gary. I’m on the phone from the LA office. – I am so sorry I didn’t get to say hello. I didn’t know. I completely blame Alex Klein. Who is it? Please go around, I don’t know how many are on the phone but please say hello. Go ahead. – [Lindsey] Okay. So I’m Lindsey, I’m from the LA office and I’m actually from Atlanta, Georgia but (mumbles). – Awesome, Linds, go ahead. – [Lindsey] So I just
had a follow-up question when you were talking
about social media earlier and exposing people. What’s your opinion on Instagram passing, taking away likes and stuff like that? – I hope they do it. – [Lindsey] How will
it impact social media? – It will change a lot
of people’s creative because they won’t pander to likes. They’ll start putting out more of what they want to actually put out. It will make a very high
percentage of people lose leverage because their social equity is predicated on their following count. And I think it would
lead to good behavior. – [Lindsey] So specifically, how do you think it will affect
your social media presence? – Zero. – [Lindsey] Zero? – Zero. I’m not predicated on my following count or my blue check or how many likes a post gets. I’m predicated on the
message I’m delivering in the content. – [Lindsey] Cool, thanks. – You’re welcome. – [Female] I kind of have a
follow-up comment on that. I was reading an article about TikTok and basically the article
said people on TikTok, their likes are like their value, their likes are their money, their likes are their– – It’s their currency. – It’s their currency.
– Yes. And I just sat back and thought and I was like what kind
of world would we live in if that’s the only thing that we value? We sit home and we go, oh hey, guess how many likes I got today? – It would be the world
we have always lived in. Let me tell you what likes were in 1984, your popularity rank in your high school. This is human behavior. – [Female] And then another question is do you think that your feelings and your relationship with your family reflects in your work
and your business life and the model at Vayner? – Yes, 100%. I think that this company is a
complete and utter reflection of the way I was parented and the circumstances
in which I was parented. 100%. I think that this company
is optimistically practical. And that’s uniquely what
I can bring to the table in this company. So this company’s extremely
young and coastal, which means it’s
unbelievably social, liberal, which is incredible ’cause I am as well but that also leads to vulnerability. And so my practicality
in immigrant upbringing and merit-based infrastructure helps us a lot when the most senior leaders do things that are currently popular but are unbelievably scary to me of what that
could lead to a month later. I mean Slack at VaynerMedia is like dark Reddit. There’s a lot of good but there’s plenty of dark and that’s just the nature of what happens especially when what’s happening outside the four walls of VaynerMedia is happening in our society which is activating people
in a completely different way than a decade ago or two decades ago or two decades from today. And so yes, I feel like I’m very fortunate to
be the human that I am during this time because I think I have practical optimism. I’m a Jets fan because in August of 1982 when I moved to Edison, New Jersey, what 1982 kids did was you went outside and randomly walked around. And in one of those walking arounds I found three kids
throwing a Nerf football and a kid by the name of Eric Godfrey looked me dead in the face and said, “Who do you like?” I don’t recall what happens next but I remember who do you like in football but basically he’s like well we’re Jet fans, so you’re a Jets fan and that September I
started watching the Jets and I haven’t stopped. That is it, that is the story. – I’m curious what you
said earlier about tasting, tasting things in your 20s. Where would you say is
the best spot to do that? Is it at a company? Is it in college? – It’s definitely not in college. – Taking the trip to
Argentina or something? – It’s anything but college only because, and not to overly razz on college but it’s a fake environment. There’s nothing about college that has anything to do with
your professional career. So not college but then anything in the real world. In a company that has flexibility to let you do a lot of
different disciplines, something I’m proud of that we have here, and I’m sure others do. I believe the framework
of the world is backwards. I think that everybody in their 20s should be at their highest risk behavior. And I think most of you
are feeling pressure on the other side to start being more
responsible in real life, that we’ve created this narrative that you fuck around for
four years in college and it’s your last great thing and then in May when you’re 22, you now need to get serious and everything becomes super practical both as a macro thing, a level of underlining pressure
we feel from our parents, an underlining pressure
we feel from ourselves to prove that we are what we think we are and I think that unfortunately, I’m trying to figure out
through my communication and hopefully that influences
others to start a debate, I think the right model is actually that 20 to 30 should be ludicrous, should be all the most extreme versions of four different countries, 19 different jobs, that you have the ability
still at that point to have the humility to live shitty which then gives you the luxury to be able to taste. When you’re 36, you now have created overhead in family, home, car, loans, mortgages and other things that give you less flexibility. When you’re 22, it still seem feasible to live with five other girls in a two bedroom apartment where everyone’s trying
to figure out their world. – Yeah and then college, you don’t like college purely
because of the value prop? – I don like college for the value prop for a big percentage of people. I think college works for, somebody left a comment
yesterday on my Instagram that like GaryVee, you
convinced me to stay in school and I was pumped. And I was like yes, this kid is hearing me. I’m not shitting on college. I’m cheerleading for self awareness. There’s no such thing as one
thing works for everyone. And one of the scariest
things in American society, one of the scariest things is parents putting pressure
on kids to go to school to make the parent feel good and making the kid take on debt for that when the kid doesn’t feel
like they want to do that and then they come out the other side and they literally spend the next 15 years trying to reconcile that debt. That’s why you have a
lot of unhappy people. And then what that means is then they go yeah, I’m gonna vote for the person that’s gonna wipe out college debt, right, ’cause that’s your short term issue, just like other people
vote to the republican side on their short term issue which then leads to accountability issues which leads into people like Google needs to take care of me. This is how the machines are gonna win. You understand that right? I don’t want the machines to win. I want all of you to think
every single thing is your fault without judging yourself
into depression which, everything’s your fault, that’s a great thing, means you’re in control, let’s go. – So this actually is a good
segway to this question I have. So for someone like myself who wants to go into
entrepreneurship ultimately and start a business, I’m interested in several areas like media, emerging tech, all that but I don’t really know which specific thing I want to do, would you say to like
start at some company first and then kind of figure it out from there or just like kind of go– – How do you learn? – I think mostly by doing. – So then don’t go to a company. – But I feel like there’s a lot of like, I guess pressure in a sense to go– – You can stop this sentence right there. You know that you learn that way but you’re gonna do something
else based on somebody else. – Yeah, that makes sense. – That’s what everyone’s doing, bro. And so everyone’s sitting around and trying to figure out why everybody, all these young people are so upset, it’s because of all this. ‘Cause they were overcoddled by a generation of overcoddling parents. And they don’t know how to
fucking do their own shit. And I think they can do tons of shit and believe you can do so much as long as you tune out. Are you in a place where
you’re comfortable to do what I lived through? I mean I lived it. I lived the world where now I’m me, but 26 year old me was ringing up my friends from high school at my dad’s liquor store when they rolled in with their BMW because they went to a good school and started working at Goldman Sachs and could afford one, or not really, but they wanted to look like they could, and they were buying
a case of Moet Chandon and I was ringing it up for them, and this is real stories now, and carrying the case to their car and putting it in their trunk. I walked in feeling fulfilled because I was happy I made a sale. They were leaving there
feeling unbelievable because Gary’s bringing out my case. The problem was that was
just when we were 26. Now that we’re 43, it’s real, real, real different. I just had the internal strength to deal with that scenario. 99% of you aren’t. – [Male] How fucking great do you feel at the end of the day? – Really fucking great. Mainly though, but I felt really, really great at 24 when I schlept that case
into my friend’s car because I love process, not winning. I actually like losing more than winning, I’ve come to learn. This is something I’m
really trying to reconcile. I actually like losing more than winning. It speaks volumes to why I’m obsessed with the Jets and Knicks and completely have abandoned
the Yankees and the Rangers after they won a championship. I like losing more. – Micro-losing or macro? – Micro-losing. But everything is micro-losing besides death or bankruptcy. – [Female] Like being the underdog? – Yep. Like I just don’t give a
fuck what you guys think. And that goes from you all
the way up to my parents. – [Female] How? – By recognizing that you guys don’t have, nor my parents has all the context. Nobody fully knows you. It’s actually through empathy. – [Male] And what age was that like? – Early. Phew, early. I can’t believe how I, now understanding a little bit more, back to being in your own cocoon, I can’t believe the mentality
I brought into high school. To navigate high school the way I did, which is like completely and utterly not affected by peer pressure in hindsight is wild to me. That takes a level of self confidence at such an early age that I think, I just understand so much
more of what I am now really on that window ’cause that is such a tough spot and that. – [Male] Do you attribute
that to your parents and the work from a young age or? – Yes. The DNA my parents gave me, clearly the way that my mother raised me, having to earn my keep and then just DNA man, just like that voice that we all have. I just always felt that I was better and here’s where it gets really good, but if the world showed me I wasn’t, I remember going through, this is actually interesting. I don’t know if I’ve ever shared this. I remember vividly going
through the ages of seven to 16 being stunned any time I
didn’t win in something, like shocked, like just could not believe
that Rick was better at tennis or John just beat me in one on one or I wasn’t the fastest in my class, just shocked. And I’ve been thinking about that lately ’cause it sparked in me a few months ago, I’m like, wait a minute, that
was weird, what was that? ‘Cause I just kind of remembered it, like shocked, I remember actually what seemed in my mind as a
disappointing thing at the time and now I look at it as a great thing, I remember thinking
somewhere around 13, 14, 15, that I lost my expectation of always winning in
everything every time. And I remember thinking
like that wasn’t good but in hindsight I think it was great because the reality is
I got into this place of complete and utter confidence but being able to not come up with excuses if it didn’t work out, like watching people lose and then blame the sun, literally, I overheard it a
couple weeks ago somewhere, I was walking, oh, on vacation, I overheard it, this kid lost to his
cousin, it seemed to me, they didn’t look like brothers and he was blaming the sun. And it took everything I had to not like roll in and be like bro, I love you but like you need to realize the sun was there for him too. And I think a lot about
that, accountability. If you’re coming up with excuses, being super confident filled with excuses
when it doesn’t work out is called delusion. So I feel great ’cause I love process. – [Female] What kind of impact do you want to leave on the world? Obviously a successful
business is one of them but it seems to me that you talk a lot about personal care and empathy which is really refreshing
and nice to hear. I want to know what your impact and what you want to leave before you go. – I want to be the greatest
entrepreneur of all time by reframing what an entrepreneur is. And so I probably have a very
ideological point of view. It was crazy when you just said, obviously, leave a successful business and it was funny how my chemicals reacted, which was like not really. I’m into it, I love it, it’s my sport. It’s also why I garage sale. I just like the game. So sure, but if you read my DMs for a day, you’d understand that I’m
way more evolved into that. And I think people are
sensing it, to your point. And I just want to
leave a positive impact. Look, I think I have a charisma
and communication level that allows me to have impact. And I think when one is gifted with that extreme of that capability they can go one of two ways. And I’d like to go the way that history tends to look
positive on, not negative. I’m gonna leave a lot
of money on the table and a lot of personal gain for a really nice reputation when I can’t even taste
it ’cause I’ll be gone. I want two days of trending on Twitter, not two hours. – [Female] Do you have a
definition of success for you? – I do. – ‘Cause I know that, I feel like your businesses
and everything’s always growing and moving forward and
looking into the future and what’s the next thing. So is there ever like, or is it like a step process? – My definition of success for me is to be able to do what I want to do at all times always and be happy about it. Having freedom is everything. – Has that changed over the years? – No but I don’t think I was, I didn’t realize what
was going on in my youth. You know what I mean?
– Yeah. – So no I wasn’t, it’s hard for you to really
know yourself completely at this point. You’ll look back and realize it was all the same shit but articulating it takes
time within yourself and also it just takes time of you actually executing on it. Back to the subcontext of what we’re talking about here, one of my biggest problems right now of everybody whose trying
to make positive impact is they’re doing semantical
work, not actual work. They’re jockeying for
their personal reputation by what they wear or
what hashtag they use, not necessarily what
they’re actually doing. And if they actually asked themselves, once they actually embrace the fact that they’re being selfish, then they can become selfless. When they’re posturing to selflessness and disguising their true selfishness, they’re losing ’cause that will play out. And that is the vulnerability
of being overwoke. That’s the vulnerability. And these are, and the reason I like saying them out loud is because people aren’t
saying that part out loud which then doesn’t
allow a lot of this good to actually be effective. And then it starts getting into delusion. There’s so much I love about making the world a better place but it has to be practical. I would be thrilled if
the government decides to wipe out all these college debts but let me promise you what the
reaction to that’s gonna be, even worse behavior. Watch what the 27 year old does when you take 230 off her bill. Watch what she then does
for the next 20 years. It’s not gonna be as good as people think. Recognizing that there’s
always gonna be some level of like whichever one you do, you have to know yourself. What I know about myself is I don’t have microregret behavior. Maybe when I’m much, much,
much older it will kick in ’cause I’ll run out of time but having time in front of me doesn’t allow me to dwell or regret. Other people I’m watching here are 24 and are regretting shit already. I’m like okay, I need to help them think about this because that’s a bad framework because if you regret, if you’re that insecure, if that’s your perspective, then you have no right answer ’cause if you go and travel and you’re 34, whatever you are financially
and professionally at 34, you’re gonna be like, mother fucker, I should’ve worked more, fuck Argentina. Or if you do the other thing
and you work your face off, you’ll be like fuck, I ended up just like fucking Gary, all my friends had fun and yeah I got a million bucks in the bank but I’m sad ’cause I wish I went to the
fucking beach more often. So either you’re in that
framework or you’re not which is a great way to put a bow on everything I’ve been telling you. You want to blame other
people, the government, Google, knock yourself out. You will go to the grave
blaming somebody for something. You want to understand that even if you’re in
the worst circumstances, the hood, drug parents,
super triple minority, trans minority brown, everything “stacked against you” but the reality of actually
an internet centric world, means you have a lot more control
than our grandparents did. It becomes an interesting game. You have full control of your podcast. Let me tell you about
your podcast in 1984. It’s not getting put on the air. This internet thing is going to, this is gonna be a circle guys, this internet thing was so
fucking amazing in 2000 to 2010. Now we’re saying this thing is bad. Woe is me, too much power, it’s bad. The extreme left is saying we need to limit these, the extreme right’s like
you’re censoring conservative, and guess what? When you guys are 42, we’re gonna be back to
this thing is great. This is what got us out of the dark era ’cause the good came. I’m just right down the middle not giving a fuck about
anybody else’s opinions or signals or noise because I know it’s selfish in nature. I’m doing my thing, trying to be good with this framework of guilt and gratitude of my circumstances that put me in my position. I’m trying to give back more
than I take as a legacy, 51/49 and some of the
other shit I talk about, and if I fuck up, that’ll be just fine too ’cause you were all gonna fuck up too. That’s what I’m gonna do. Thanks for your time. Yes, no, no, definitely
since you didn’t ask one, go. – [Female] I’m sorry. – It’s okay. – [Female] So we were
talking about losing earlier and I personally hate
like macro or even micro even if it’ll help me in the long run, what do you have to say to
someone who hates losing to come to terms with it? – You need to figure out who you’re most upset
about losing in front of. – [Female] What if it’s
literally everybody? – That’s great. Then you need to start really thinking about creating behavior to
make yourself lose more. You basically are in the same place that a slow maturing 11 year old is who hasn’t started swimming yet. The only answer to your question is to jump in the pool. If you were like my younger sister, I would tell you that everything you should
do for the next five years are things that you’re
likely gonna lose at until it becomes so numb that it changes your
relationship with losing. Hating to lose in the way that you’re describing it is completely predicated on not being able to deal
with other people’s judgment. And that is a tough spot to be in. You know? You got to reconcile that with, I’m probably the most
competitive person I’ve ever met or just in the mix with the other people. So I’m trying to win. I don’t want to lose but I respect the game enough to accept it and I weirdly get good tingles from it because it excites me to try again. You know? Is that how your relationship is with it or what’s your relationship with it? – [Female] I do think the fear of losing does hold me back a little bit from– – Doing, of course. – [Female] Doing for sure. – But why? – [Female] I guess it’s because
I’m afraid of being judged or I don’t know, my
personal sense I guess, I’m afraid of wasting time
and wasting resources. – Mmhmm. Well that goes to the
other word I love so much. You lack patience. And/or, and/or the biggest
thing that kids struggle with, contextualizing time. Out of all the things we talked about, for my parting shot I can
inject something into you it would be one thing, for you to feel the way I feel
right now about 43 years old. When I was 22 and I started working at
my dad’s liquor store, my cousin Bobby worked there, whose my dad’s first cousin but my grandma was older, punch line was he was only
eight years older than me ’cause there was kind of that like skip generation kind of things with like older siblings, he was 30. When I walked in that first day at 22 and I’d worked with him since I was 14 but like when it became real, like I’m a professional now, we spent a lot of time together, best friends, right, 15 hours a day in a liquor store together, small one so like every day, I thought he was so fucking old. I thought that mother fucker was so old. So sitting in this room right now knowing how you feel
about 43 at 20, 21, 22, it makes me laugh because
I could literally, how old are you? – [Female] I’m 21. – Great. My mom was 41 when I was 21. I’m 43. If I was from the old country, there’s a great chance
that I could be your dad. I come into here and I’m like
I’m older brother, right, but it’s like now getting
into like dad territory right, meanwhile, I feel like I’m
exactly one of you guys on some real shit. – Mentally? – Yes. – [Female] Yeah, your energy is the same. – I feel way more similar to you than I do to a 43 year old other person, like way more. I probably know way more
about stuff that’s cool than you guys do by the nature of my business, not because I actually live it. But the punch line is if you knew that, if you actually knew how
much more time you had, if you could context how
uncomfortably young you are, if you guys could understand that you’re part of a generation that means you’re gonna live four, four, four more full lives, from the day you were
fucking born to right now, you’re gonna do that four more times, if you can contextualize that, if you could contextualize
the blessings you guys have that you don’t live in a culture where you’re expected to be married at 25 and have a kid at 26, that there’s normalcy
created around the fact that you can go and have a 20 year career and then start your family if you chemically or intuitively or culturally or internally
want that for yourself. We are being so confused by
the macro media landscape and the political landscape. It has never been a
better time to be alive in the history of the world. For everybody whose being
persecuted for looking different, I remind a lot of my friends to go talk to their great grandparents and ask them how it went for them. This is why we need to spend
more time with elderly people that are not our relatives. You want equal pay and
like this and that, cool, go talk to a 63 year
old professional woman. Shit’s good. And a lot’s bad. You get to choose how you look at it. Not me, not them, you. And that’s how this shit plays out. You just haven’t contextualized time. I’m yelling at you to waste eight years just to begin the process
of trying to do something. I’m telling you and I know I’m right in my fucking soul that you should waste, the way you see the world, eight years on resources and time just to start the thesis of what you should do with your life. And a bunch of you debated heavily if this was the right internship versus a different one and like what will
happen, and this and that, none of it fucking matters. The second you understand that you’ll nev, let me tell you this, and I know I’m running
late but we’ll be fine, if you actually knew that
you would never find out what the alternative was, shit would get real good. You know how easy it is
for me to make decisions? Super easy. Do you know why? I wouldn’t know what the alternative was. – [Female] You don’t overthink it. – Because it’s not practical. I don’t have time to dwell on the fact that I passed on Uber twice which was my best friend of
any investment that I made. Every person I invested in was not as close to me as Travis was and for some miraculous cosmic reason I passed on Uber twice which means that my $50,000 investment which would’ve been
worth $700 million today, didn’t happen. And when I tell you I don’t
think about it at all, here’s why, I’m smart and thoughtful enough about knowing how life works, had I made that investment, everything would be different. Maybe I’d be going to
India to give a keynote about that investment because I would’ve had
a much bigger profile, much different resources, and maybe in that private flight, maybe that flight would’ve gone down and I would be dead. – [Female] So you just don’t overthink the other possibilities ’cause I always find that that’s hard. – It’s the biggest weakness everyone has. They’re trying to spend time on something that doesn’t exist. There is no time machine. Sorry you picked the wrong
school or sorority or girlfriend or major, sorry. What are we gonna do? Are we gonna build a time machine here? – That’s your practical optimism? – Sure is. ‘Cause it’s both optimistic
and way more practical. – [Female] Just roll with the punches. – ‘Cause the punches are the framework. – [Female] Yeah. – [Female] Everything
will work itself out. – Especially if you’re
fucking on the offense versus dwelling. – [Female] True. – Everything will work out if you decide everything will work out. It’s very real. My mom lost her mom at five. She was in the Soviet fucking
Union, real communism. Her dad then went to jail for a decade. That’s a fucking tough hand. She’s the most optimistic
fucking person I know. You’re uncomfortably in control yet this is the great
generation of feeling we’re not, Google’s in control, Trump’s in control, Brexit is in control, my parents are in control. You want your parents to not have control? Stop taking their money. It happens real fast, real, real, real, real,
real, real, real fast. And all that means is you just have to live
a little more humble which oh by the way would most likely lead to much better behavior
by you going forward and a shocking shocking level of happiness. That’s life as I see it at this moment. And it’s real. I really want this for you guys. Happiness needs to be the ambition. And you’re way more in
control than you think. You just have to stop
paying attention to others. And unfortunately the framework is to pay attention to others, which is how this is all happening.

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    3:30 – Tasting things is the #1 strategy in your 20s, taste more
    9:30 – Everyone worries about everyone’s actions but their own
    17:15 – One big truth about VaynerMedia that not a lot of people know
    24:15 – How Gary controls his public image
    34:00 – Nobody really knows you
    41:00 – Greatest unlock in life

  2. I love this. So much great advise. You can feel the room trying to digest it all. It's a steep uphill slope but man is it useful if you execute on it.

  3. Gary’s comments on social media apps and their addictive tendencies is a little ignorant of the research. It’s all well and good to say “it exposes us, doesn’t change us”, but these things play on human neurochemistry and illicit the same reactions as addictive drugs such as cocaine. There’s peer reviewed research behind this. It’s not as simple as Gary makes out. That being said, I understand the point he is making, and it’s partly the right approach for an individual to try adopting – it is right that they need accountability. But believing these things expose us and nothing else is just misinformed.

  4. GARYVEEEEEE!!! Words can't express how much I appreciate what you do and how much I've learnt from you. I've started something new on video creation for bloggers. I hope you guys like it .

  5. I just wanna take a sec an tell you that i apprecaite you so much and thank you for all the content and love.

  6. Hey your really big and I want to know how you did it I have only 30 subs and I cant get any more I upload gaming but I'm open to other types of content

  7. GaryVee is the best creator on youtube. I actually created my own channel called think higher

    to show even MORE motivational videos – come check it out and I will always follow back!"

  8. GARYVEE IS THE MANNN, I’ve taken all of the GARYVEE advice I jumped out of my comfort zone and now, I’m on the target to get million of subscribers. I’ve even just created a YouTube channel to follow my progress. My next video is due soon. I would love some support/feedback so please hit subscribe and check it out. Peace ✌️

  9. the biggest problem in our
    society right now is everybody worries
    about everybody's actions but their own
    on every side of the equation

  10. It's quite hard to hear what the questions are here. Is there any way there could be a room mic or something to get everybody's voices heard?

  11. Gary, I love hearing you talk about your mom. Can you interview her like how you did with your dad? Or share even more of her story?

  12. 3:30 – Tasting things are the #1 strategy in your 20s, taste more DO MORE POSTS ABOUT THIS!
    I'm living that at this moment, soon to be 22 in 2 weeks, I've started and "failed" with 2 businesses, lived in 4 countries (USA for a year, 4 months in Sweden and 3 months in Italy) worked as an au pair, back in Buenos Aires as an administrative assistant, found Gary's content back in early 2018 and got obsessed with personal brand, schooled myself this past year and a couple of months, traveled to Sweden last October, moved to Italy and worked in a farm and now I'm back in B.A Argentina realizing how poor in our media field here and how much opportunity there is. And without the fear of failing I dm a bunch of freelancers in my area and now I'm starting to execute the plan I've been crafting.
    In 6 months I'll hopefully be starting my third business and have no fear of failing because no previous moment of my life that I felt I was failing was actually such a thing. It was a lesson and I'm so fucking grateful for having had failed.
    I lot all of my Instagram followers because I started multiple accounts not being sure how to show my life in a way that was "Instagrammable" and now I realize how silly I was and now that I've lived, traveled, met amazing people from all over the world and have the chip on my shoulder because everyone always says I'm never sticking to one thing. Now I'm starting, no pressure because nobody really expects me to follow through. You inspired me to change my perspective Gary and I fuckinnnnnnnnnnggggg looooooooove you because of that. IT'S ALL A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE and now I love that everyone expects me to drop out of the game, but baby… I'm just starting.
    Enough words anyway and I'll keep working on my thing. Once I'm all in I'll comment again. Not because of you, or the Vayner attention, I honeslty do not care if this comment gets you. I just need my accountability. You are my mentor and I just need to prove TO MYSELF that I can make me proud.

  13. Quick Question: What does Gary mean when he says, 'Slack at VaynerMedia is like Dark Reddit' ? 28:53


    Get the waka (very important)

    Read posts by no name on kava

    You REALLY need this


  15. @ 40:13 when you can just tell Gary is pulling this story out of thin air, kids still needed to hear it though!

  16. Hey Gary! I cannot find the articles around the kaleidoscope. Please give us more! I wanna find it!!! Thx♥️

  17. Great to see and hear what's in the minds of our younger generation moving forward. I believe multigenerational environments are one of the strongest upcoming trends we are about to experience.

  18. Fuck Gary… Your right. I NEED TO BE CLOSER TO THE SUN. I'm a video editor / Videographer, What will it take to intern?

  19. It would be really great if there were more microphones in the room or if you repeated the question after it’s asked so i can hear everyone.

  20. “I want every single one of you to think everything is your fault… without judging yourself into depression.” Sooooo good! #realtalk

  21. Sometimes I sit here like I'm at the end of the table, and just forget that I'm not part of the meeting. I react just like I would had I been an intern at the table. Shit gets real once we start listening, and realizing how much more time we've got. Learning to be patient.

  22. Hope they all paid attention. Likely the best advice many of them have received in their lives. Nice talk GV!

  23. Really needed that answer you gave to the question in 35:20, can you put out a short clip of it on insta? Wanna share it with my brother, he needs to hear that

  24. Man i disagree on instagram taking away likes. Likes has more positives than negatives to me. Likes on social media is what has disrupted the culture of gatekeepers. it has helped change the narrative about standards of beauty and a whole lotta things. without these "likes" most people would've still believed the ideals fed upon them by the gatekeepers and they wont have any reason to question or fight against it and they'd rely on the gatekeepers which is a few number of ppl most old rich white dudes to show them what the "next thing" is. The disadvantages just pales in comparison to its advantages cause these "likes" are literally putting food on ppl's tables, paying bills and people's education and you think its good to take all that away and redivert cashflow into the pockets of big media because its hurting a few people's "self esteem"?
    First of all if you seriously need likes to create art or whatever it is you are doing then am sorry to tell you but you are not passionate about that thing and its only a matter of time before you burnout.

  25. "What are we gonna do, build a time machine?" Perfect advice. Makes looking at decisions much easier, and I believe that helped this group tremendously. Bravo Gary.

  26. These videos come at the perfect timing when I really need it. Thanks Gary! Loved the part about tasting a lot of things in your 20s

  27. @garyvee Thank you so much for these valuable words, Gary Vee is full of optimism and always have the right mindset. Big respect from Serbia,hope to see you one day

  28. Gary you have a big sense of reality, you are some type of genius that inspire me, sorry for my english, i from Argentina, If you come to Buenos Aires I invited you to eat a big ASADO with friends !! My country is in crisis, but your advice is more than valid here too!

  29. "That's life, as I see it, at this moment." Love how you give advice but always remind us that no advice applies to everyone and we are allowed to change our views. GV da real MVP

  30. Lady from Dearborn, thank you for shouting out the city! I’ve got the same goal to put us on the map as well😉👌🏿👌🏿

  31. This is the best online venture opportunity I've seen so far in 2019! Dave also has some training in this course. Don’t miss out 🙂


  32. Gary. You're so on point with the way you listen to peoples questions. I notice it in your body language, you don't even blink half the time. Not ONLY do you answer the surface level question. But, you answer the emotional reason of why they asked it in the first place. Which goes back to your intent. Thank you, and keep up the good work.

  33. Thank you so much for sharing this. And Gary, I'm from India. And when you come here, your plane journey will be great. 😃 Thank you 🙏🏻💛

  34. really considering moving out 😅 you know have that leverage, no one can tell you shit. n just provide value and invest in myself✌

  35. I'm not in that range of an age, but I'm definitely interest on eating s*#@ and be happy about it. Thanks Gary Love it!

  36. man that started HEAVY hahaha. first question off the bat by muslim girl wanting to put islam subculture of Detroit on the map, telling Gary (a Russian jew) about it…and then Gary leads with "you just happen to be the subculture that is in the media's eye ….like the jews in 40s…african Americans in 50s… " lol man I was on the edge of my seat ….that was some scary shit Gary.

  37. Most interesting point to me was that one about not knowing the alternative. It doesn't matter and yet we waste so much time dwelling on those alternatives. Thank you I feels even lighter now

  38. Garyvee is the manifesto of spirituality (do what makes you happy, positivity, peace, truth, etc.)

    Most people are drawn to him for money because it’s their biggest goal but most people don’t know what they’re true passion is because of our culture.

    Time is Infinite, he likes losing more than winning, gain more strength by correcting your course, think long term.

    Can’t fix mistakes without accountability

  39. Mr. G.. I'm calling it now, I'll either work for "most likely" or collaborate with you @ some point..
    Its not if, but simply when..

  40. Gary Vee is a LIVING PROPHET IN OUR TIME , do not take him for granted. I apologize if this is coming off fanatical but it has to be said.

    – "When you try to 'boil the ocean' .. you don't! – Lack of patience; ideology over practicality".
    – "Im addicted to attention, not social media"
    – "Im not shitting on college, Im cheerleading for self-awareness – Theres no such thing as one-thing-works-for-everyone".
    – Accountability issues .. "I want all of you to think everything is your fault, without judging yourself into depression" – "Everything is your fault, thats a great thing, it means you are in control"

    I could type word for word what he said in this conversation and it would all be good. Thank you Gary!

  41. This video really hit home for me, Gary. It inspired me to hand in my two week resignation at a my job today. All my life, I've felt like I was living for someone else. Always so afraid of what others will think of me and trying to stay in my lane and do what is "realistic". My new goal is to become a content creator on YouTube and to build a business around it. Thank you so much for your wise words!

  42. If there’s a single video that sums up all of GaryVee, this would be it. Absolutely insane. I could actually watch it 4 times, but I got punches to take right now.

  43. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴

  44. Can anybody tell me the name of this podcast the woman spoke about around the 8:00 Mark? Super interested, thank you

  45. Gary start saying everything is your fault so you can fix it instead of you're in control I think it confuses some people 👍

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